Comments on: Another Word for Disciple

By: PeaceBang

PeaceBang — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:27:29 +0000

Many more terrific comments. I love Fred’s daring to suggest the words “martyr” and “prophet,” and I appreciate Chelle’s against the grain vote for disciples. Carolyn, I dig what you say about Jesus’ lifting up of friendship but I still think to most ears it’s not strong enough.

So Fred, let me know as soon as you get that sermon written!

By: fausto

fausto — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:16:02 +0000

devotee

By: Chelle

Chelle — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:28:07 +0000

Going against the grain yet again (as is my wont)….how about keeping the word “disciple”.
It’s a great word and not changing it would help us confront some of the issues we have with anything that smacks of being too “Christian”.
Besides….everybody is a disciple of something….some of us are just more willing to admit it.

By: Tricycle Blog

Tricycle Blog — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:05:02 +0000

Howabout:

Comrade

or

Companion?

P.S. for Fred: You're right, it is difficult to spell. The correct spelling is bodhisattva. Only one "d". Two "t"s, though.

Jeff W.

By: Caroline Divine

Caroline Divine — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:00:15 +0000

Friends ain’t so soft — see Mary Hunt’s _Fierce Tenderness: A Feminist Theology of Friendship_. Not the last word on friendship, but a very good one. But yes, of course, “friends” smells Quaker, and it’s really funny I didn’t even think of that since, good Anglican that I am, I teach at a Quaker-related institution!! I was thinking more of how friendship is the most egalitarian of relationships but also (as Mary Hunt mentions) is deeply related to solidarity and justice. One of my favorite Gospel passages is the part where Jesus says “I no longer call you servants but friends” (approx. — pick your translation) about which I have preached at weddings and at Eucharist and on other occasions. Imagine how subversive a statement that could be (I know, assuming he really said it, but if he didn’t, it was something pretty close) in the context of the Roman Empire! It’s power turned upside down.

Radically yours,

By: WFW

WFW — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:01:57 +0000

how about
… Witness - like Jehovah’s self named band. They’re Unitarian too (literally), and love Servetus. Sort of a cargo cult moment for us when you thiunk about it.

… or Martyr, for which see the hymn “…martyrs tesified…” But can we really expect people to give their lives for a question mark?

… Try prophet - as in “prophetic church the future waits…” JLA loved the passage from Numbers “Would that all God’s people were prophets.” And given how many of us already stand on soapboxes…

… boddhisattvas? We’re all on the way, right? It’s only a matter of time, but spelling can be a bitch.

… or how about minister? A former baptist congregant reminded me of their notion that all are ministers, some are clergy. And didn’t Parker Palmer describe Quakerism as ther church that did not abolish the clergy but the laity? Cool.

… the problem with Disciple is you have to be one to call yourself that. It means one is accountable to something not just oneself. And so far as I can tell, the very model of a model Unitarian is that of every two year old - “I can do it myself.”

And we wonder why we don’t grow.

Fred Wooden

BTW - I am have to the conclusion that Communoity is way overrated. In fact, it is downright dangerous. Since when was “community” a purpose or a principle? And what would it mean if it were? There are only two things we are about, along with other religious liberals. But I ain’t telling until I get the sermo n preached and put it on my own blog.

By: PeaceBang

PeaceBang — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:48:41 +0000

I was thinking of the word “disciple” within the context of Tom’s emphasis on using worship as an opportunity to create commitment. I have always thought of worship in that way, and I have always thought in terms of “discipleship.” Not discipleship of one teacher, but of one vision of “the earth made fair, with all her people one.”

I like “pilgrims,” especially given our location. I think my congregation would dig that new usage of the word.

I think Community, while lovely, is overused and connotes the pastoral relationships within the church. I was looking for a word or phrase (I like Clyde’s a lot but wanted something more poetic in the mouth) that would draw us into that passionate place of mutual commitment. Maybe “covenanted community,” which we do use a lot, is a good bet.
Friends is nice but it reminds me of Quakers and it’s too soft a word for what I mean.

By: powderblue

powderblue — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:08:18 +0000

action-figures?

By: Clyde Grubbs

Clyde Grubbs — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:38:39 +0000

a community of committed participants

By: ogre

ogre — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:01:55 +0000

P'raps if you'd tell us what you mean when you say "disciple," I could try to help.

I have no real connection to the word, no real sense of it that makes me want to embrace it. So...

Being hot, cranky, and trapped in a too-damned stuffy house while my wife galivants from A/C'd house to A/C'd car to A/C'd wedding reception (admittedly on that absurdly hot and humid East Coast, but she's in A/C... and we're not...), I'll take a poke at it.

One online defintion (the first offered): One who embraces and assists in spreading the teachings of another.

Um. No sale. Not with me, and I suspect not with most of us.

Given the linked words offered to elucidate the meaning--adherent, cohort, follower, henchman, minion, partisan, satellite, supporter--I really think you're barking up the wrong tree.

community of henchmen?
community of followers?
minions?
satellites?

Urk.