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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Tis the Season For Terminal Uniqueness</title>
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	<description>The manic mind of the minister -- Auntie Mame Meets Cotton Mather</description>
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		<title>By: Ellis</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2006/11/29/tis-the-season-for-terminal-uniqueness/#comment-3313</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think that teaching children about other religious traditions is important, and that concrete learning activities help to teach them well.  My own parents brought me up with lots of discussion and reading about world faiths, with my family, other UUs and people in those other religions.  We talked about cultural anthropology a lot.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But it was always made clear:  this is part of &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; tradition, not ours.  We also talked a lot about our own theological heritage, and its similarities and differences with other churches.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have regularly attended Christian churches, but I don't take Communion.  I sing, bow my head, stand and sit quietly, out of respect for the service.  But I generally don't join in the spoken prayers, since they're not mine to do.  I sometimes kneel, and sometimes don't.  I feel like my observation of Christianity helps me deepen my faith.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It's worth pointing out that people in the churches I've attended have never asked me to act differently.  They universally welcome me and affirm my presence as an observer. I've had great conversation about faith after those services. If all that didn't happen, I wouldn’t go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think that teaching children about other religious traditions is important, and that concrete learning activities help to teach them well.  My own parents brought me up with lots of discussion and reading about world faiths, with my family, other UUs and people in those other religions.  We talked about cultural anthropology a lot.</p>
<p>But it was always made clear:  this is part of <i>their</i> tradition, not ours.  We also talked a lot about our own theological heritage, and its similarities and differences with other churches.</p>
<p>I have regularly attended Christian churches, but I don&#8217;t take Communion.  I sing, bow my head, stand and sit quietly, out of respect for the service.  But I generally don&#8217;t join in the spoken prayers, since they&#8217;re not mine to do.  I sometimes kneel, and sometimes don&#8217;t.  I feel like my observation of Christianity helps me deepen my faith.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth pointing out that people in the churches I&#8217;ve attended have never asked me to act differently.  They universally welcome me and affirm my presence as an observer. I&#8217;ve had great conversation about faith after those services. If all that didn&#8217;t happen, I wouldn’t go.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaume</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2006/11/29/tis-the-season-for-terminal-uniqueness/#comment-3312</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fausto, I do not totally agree with you about the page you link to. On the one hand it deals with the misappropiation of what is actually the interfaith movement. I know many good-willing Catholics who do exactly that, and Catholic publishing houses which publish books about how religious pluralism is fascinating and enriching. But they are still Catholics! &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;OTOH I think that we do need this "UU ancestor worship". History is one of the elements that uniquely identify us as a distinct tradition within the framework of reformed, humanistic Christianity. Perhaps it's my Catholic upbringing that leads me to the veneration of saints, but I think it is still a good idea. We just need to be faithful to the message and the work of those ancestors, rather than deforming in politically correct terms. Most of them were very, very incorrect for their times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fausto, I do not totally agree with you about the page you link to. On the one hand it deals with the misappropiation of what is actually the interfaith movement. I know many good-willing Catholics who do exactly that, and Catholic publishing houses which publish books about how religious pluralism is fascinating and enriching. But they are still Catholics! </p>
<p>OTOH I think that we do need this &#8220;UU ancestor worship&#8221;. History is one of the elements that uniquely identify us as a distinct tradition within the framework of reformed, humanistic Christianity. Perhaps it&#8217;s my Catholic upbringing that leads me to the veneration of saints, but I think it is still a good idea. We just need to be faithful to the message and the work of those ancestors, rather than deforming in politically correct terms. Most of them were very, very incorrect for their times.</p>
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		<title>By: PeaceBang</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2006/11/29/tis-the-season-for-terminal-uniqueness/#comment-3311</link>
		<dc:creator>PeaceBang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jaume. I totally agree with you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jaume. I totally agree with you!</p>
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		<title>By: Jaume</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2006/11/29/tis-the-season-for-terminal-uniqueness/#comment-3310</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for being so late in answering. Perhaps the word is wrong here (blame my bad English for that). I rather meant being unique, having a concrete and inspiring message of our own that is not the watered-down version of whatever other church or religion. Being creedless should not mean that we need to rewrite our heritage and reinterpret our tradition after every single newcomer that signs the membership book. Some call it a center or a core. I call it an identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for being so late in answering. Perhaps the word is wrong here (blame my bad English for that). I rather meant being unique, having a concrete and inspiring message of our own that is not the watered-down version of whatever other church or religion. Being creedless should not mean that we need to rewrite our heritage and reinterpret our tradition after every single newcomer that signs the membership book. Some call it a center or a core. I call it an identity.</p>
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		<title>By: fausto</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2006/11/29/tis-the-season-for-terminal-uniqueness/#comment-3309</link>
		<dc:creator>fausto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BITB, you're right.  Words fail.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And to think that if the flaming chalice is anything at all, it's either a meaningless official-looking logo for some old stationery designed only to fool obtuse bureaucrats, or else it's the flame of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2) rising out of the Blood of Christ (Luke 22).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Looks like they're celebrating the former and not the latter, but even that they're doing unwittingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BITB, you&#8217;re right.  Words fail.</p>
<p>And to think that if the flaming chalice is anything at all, it&#8217;s either a meaningless official-looking logo for some old stationery designed only to fool obtuse bureaucrats, or else it&#8217;s the flame of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2) rising out of the Blood of Christ (Luke 22).</p>
<p>Looks like they&#8217;re celebrating the former and not the latter, but even that they&#8217;re doing unwittingly.</p>
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		<title>By: jinnis</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2006/11/29/tis-the-season-for-terminal-uniqueness/#comment-3308</link>
		<dc:creator>jinnis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm just glad that one congregation I served figured out that a Thanksgiving seder is too . . . too. . . well, not right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just glad that one congregation I served figured out that a Thanksgiving seder is too . . . too. . . well, not right.</p>
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		<title>By: Obijuan</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2006/11/29/tis-the-season-for-terminal-uniqueness/#comment-3307</link>
		<dc:creator>Obijuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 02:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;still leaves me speechless&lt;/i&gt; . . .&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Holy S#!+!!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would have just called it FestivUUs. :-P&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Seriously, if we want a real Unitarian Universalist holiday, why not the old "fast day" in April or May, sort of an "opposite day" Thanksgiving with fasting and [gasp!] confession of the year's sins.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Dean Grodzins used to promote this practice at Meadville while he was still there. I've thought about carrying it forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>still leaves me speechless</i> . . .</p>
<p>Holy S#!+!!!</p>
<p>I would have just called it FestivUUs. <img src='http://www.peacebang.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, if we want a real Unitarian Universalist holiday, why not the old &#8220;fast day&#8221; in April or May, sort of an &#8220;opposite day&#8221; Thanksgiving with fasting and [gasp!] confession of the year&#8217;s sins.</p>
<p>Dean Grodzins used to promote this practice at Meadville while he was still there. I&#8217;ve thought about carrying it forward.</p>
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		<title>By: boyinthebands</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2006/11/29/tis-the-season-for-terminal-uniqueness/#comment-3306</link>
		<dc:creator>boyinthebands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fausto, I thought you were going to refer to &lt;a HREF="http://www.uuclr.org/illumination/about_illum.htm" REL="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, which still leaves me speechless. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Self-parody, unintentional I hope, at its highest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fausto, I thought you were going to refer to <a HREF="http://www.uuclr.org/illumination/about_illum.htm" REL="nofollow">this</a>, which still leaves me speechless. </p>
<p>Self-parody, unintentional I hope, at its highest.</p>
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		<title>By: fausto</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2006/11/29/tis-the-season-for-terminal-uniqueness/#comment-3305</link>
		<dc:creator>fausto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, you're exactly right.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Objuan, good on ya.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;OTOH, for a breathtaking example of great swathes of UU terminal uniqueness concentrated into a single, concise, clueless statement, &lt;a HREF="http://uupetaluma.blogspot.com/2006/11/religious-education-update-november-12.html" REL="nofollow"&gt;click here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It's got it all -- cultural misappropriation, Famous UU "ancestor worship", Christian-bashing, self-congratulation, emptiness of spirituality, emptiness and even ignorance of any of its own core beliefs or values (other than that "other religions have value"), and a blissful obliviousness to the dangers of all of the above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, you&#8217;re exactly right.</p>
<p>Objuan, good on ya.</p>
<p>OTOH, for a breathtaking example of great swathes of UU terminal uniqueness concentrated into a single, concise, clueless statement, <a HREF="http://uupetaluma.blogspot.com/2006/11/religious-education-update-november-12.html" REL="nofollow">click here</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s got it all &#8212; cultural misappropriation, Famous UU &#8220;ancestor worship&#8221;, Christian-bashing, self-congratulation, emptiness of spirituality, emptiness and even ignorance of any of its own core beliefs or values (other than that &#8220;other religions have value&#8221;), and a blissful obliviousness to the dangers of all of the above.</p>
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		<title>By: PeaceBang</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2006/11/29/tis-the-season-for-terminal-uniqueness/#comment-3304</link>
		<dc:creator>PeaceBang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaume, when you say that UUism should be "exclusive," what do you mean? I'm intrigued, because "inclusive" is such a buzzword for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaume, when you say that UUism should be &#8220;exclusive,&#8221; what do you mean? I&#8217;m intrigued, because &#8220;inclusive&#8221; is such a buzzword for us.</p>
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