Comments on: The Meaning of the Crucifixion http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/ The manic mind of the minister -- Auntie Mame Meets Cotton Mather Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:44:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: fausto http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5675 fausto Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:36:24 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5675 Nice job, as usual. Nice job, as usual.

]]> By: Ron Robinsoon http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5673 Ron Robinsoon Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:33:01 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5673 Great. And, since people mentioned wanting UU and Jesus personal stories without denominational defensiveness, don't forget last year's anthology of personal essays published by Skinner House--Christian Voices in UUism. It is a good one for read and discuss groups at UU churches, UU Christian small groups, etc. You can, of course, order it online. For sneak previews you can follow the link to it through www.uuchristian.org. Great. And, since people mentioned wanting UU and Jesus personal stories without denominational defensiveness, don’t forget last year’s anthology of personal essays published by Skinner House–Christian Voices in UUism. It is a good one for read and discuss groups at UU churches, UU Christian small groups, etc. You can, of course, order it online. For sneak previews you can follow the link to it through http://www.uuchristian.org.

]]> By: Maggie http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5671 Maggie Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:24:53 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5671 Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time by Marcus Borg is my all-time favorite book for understanding what it means to have a personal relationship with Jesus. I recommend it enthusiastically to all who either were turned off by their childhood introduction to Jesus or who feel that they just don't get what he's all about. Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time by Marcus Borg is my all-time favorite book for understanding what it means to have a personal relationship with Jesus. I recommend it enthusiastically to all who either were turned off by their childhood introduction to Jesus or who feel that they just don’t get what he’s all about.

]]> By: Mrs. M http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5669 Mrs. M Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:55:48 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5669 PB, thank you. Sometimes I think there's a lot of the UU in TEC right now, and what you've said really resonates with me. PB, thank you. Sometimes I think there’s a lot of the UU in TEC right now, and what you’ve said really resonates with me.

]]> By: J http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5668 J Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:22:26 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5668 This summer a lay person in my congregation led a service about what Christianity meant to him. Yet he spent a good amount of the time speaking about how denomination doesnt accept Christianty. Someone else afterwards in the coffee hour critique complained that instead of complaining about how UU doesnt accept Christianity, they wanted to hear from the speaker what Christianity meant to them, and how it added to their spiritual life. This blog entry made me think of that. We are often walking on eggshells and so defensive about the issue that we just talk aboout it. If people could see us speak with passion about the good, beautiful, and rationale aspects of Jesus and Christianity, they could put their past association of it behind them. We need to give people a new vision, (or version so to speak) of the message of Jesus that will add to the spiritual lives of the people in this world. - gotta go - see you in the funny papers. J This summer a lay person in my congregation led a service about what Christianity meant to him. Yet he spent a good amount of the time speaking about how denomination doesnt accept Christianty. Someone else afterwards in the coffee hour critique complained that instead of complaining about how UU doesnt accept Christianity, they wanted to hear from the speaker what Christianity meant to them, and how it added to their spiritual life. This blog entry made me think of that. We are often walking on eggshells and so defensive about the issue that we just talk aboout it. If people could see us speak with passion about the good, beautiful, and rationale aspects of Jesus and Christianity, they could put their past association of it behind them. We need to give people a new vision, (or version so to speak) of the message of Jesus that will add to the spiritual lives of the people in this world. - gotta go - see you in the funny papers.
J

]]> By: The Eclectic Cleric http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5667 The Eclectic Cleric Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:24:05 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5667 So, PB & J -- one of my favorite combinations. For as long as I can remember, I've taken a very simple and pragmatic view of <i>anastasis</i> -- the Teacher is Dead, but the Teaching Lives On, and that everything that Jesus ever said or did or stood for is just as True now as it ever has been. And I often liked to blow my more evangelical friends away by suggesting that I was seeking a Christian Faith which I could still trust and live by not only if Jesus DIDN'T rise from the dead, but even if it could be proved that he had never lived at all. In any case, I won't preach the whole sermon here, but if anyone wants to read more (and assuming my html tags are OK), here's a link: <a href="http://eclectic-cleric-ack.blogspot.com/2002_03_01_archive.html" rel="nofollow">"Easter, Again?"</a> So, PB & J — one of my favorite combinations. For as long as I can remember, I’ve taken a very simple and pragmatic view of anastasis — the Teacher is Dead, but the Teaching Lives On, and that everything that Jesus ever said or did or stood for is just as True now as it ever has been. And I often liked to blow my more evangelical friends away by suggesting that I was seeking a Christian Faith which I could still trust and live by not only if Jesus DIDN’T rise from the dead, but even if it could be proved that he had never lived at all.

In any case, I won’t preach the whole sermon here, but if anyone wants to read more (and assuming my html tags are OK), here’s a link: “Easter, Again?”

]]> By: Comrade Kevin http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5665 Comrade Kevin Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:07:34 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5665 You have a marvelous way of stating the truth without seeming accusatory or sanctimonious. I need to learn from your example. You have a marvelous way of stating the truth without seeming accusatory or sanctimonious. I need to learn from your example.

]]> By: Flo http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5664 Flo Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:18:32 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2007/08/12/the-meaning-of-the-crucifixion/#comment-5664 I agree with you in many ways, I agree that Jesus' message was revolutionary, still is, and that it's important to aknowlege his influence on the past couple thousand years of the world, even if one has no particular belief in a Christian God, or dying for our sins or any of that. I'm a UU who sees Jesus as an inspiring rebel, a revolutionary, pacifist guy working against issues we still deal with constantly (classism, conflict etc.) I do have a couple of issues with trying to speak in a Christian way about him in UU churches. the main one for me would be how frustrating it is to hear Christ's actual messages, messages of peace and love, and to know how warped these messages have become, used for centuries to hate and oppress people, from the crusades to European colonialism to current homophobia and everything in between. I've been told by multiple "Christans" that I'm going to hell for my not "accepting Jesus as my savior" or marching for gay marrage, or working against abstinance only sex education, or any of a number of other reasons. I know that there are millions of Christans around the world who are amazing individuals working out values of peace and love (just as there are millions of Muslims, Jews, Hindus... living these values) but to me hearing Jesus' inspiring words in a Christan context make me lose hope, knowing that they have been ignored by many who preach them for thousands of years. I value the meaning of his words and actions highly and am glad they inspire people around the world, just my two cents (or couple dollars, judging by how long this comment was =P ) about not including a Christan Jesus in UU worship. keep on thinking those deep thoughts! I agree with you in many ways, I agree that Jesus’ message was revolutionary, still is, and that it’s important to aknowlege his influence on the past couple thousand years of the world, even if one has no particular belief in a Christian God, or dying for our sins or any of that. I’m a UU who sees Jesus as an inspiring rebel, a revolutionary, pacifist guy working against issues we still deal with constantly (classism, conflict etc.) I do have a couple of issues with trying to speak in a Christian way about him in UU churches. the main one for me would be how frustrating it is to hear Christ’s actual messages, messages of peace and love, and to know how warped these messages have become, used for centuries to hate and oppress people, from the crusades to European colonialism to current homophobia and everything in between. I’ve been told by multiple “Christans” that I’m going to hell for my not “accepting Jesus as my savior” or marching for gay marrage, or working against abstinance only sex education, or any of a number of other reasons. I know that there are millions of Christans around the world who are amazing individuals working out values of peace and love (just as there are millions of Muslims, Jews, Hindus… living these values) but to me hearing Jesus’ inspiring words in a Christan context make me lose hope, knowing that they have been ignored by many who preach them for thousands of years. I value the meaning of his words and actions highly and am glad they inspire people around the world, just my two cents (or couple dollars, judging by how long this comment was =P ) about not including a Christan Jesus in UU worship. keep on thinking those deep thoughts!

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