Comments on: Still Speaking! http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/ The manic mind of the minister -- Auntie Mame Meets Cotton Mather Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:50:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: SMG http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15867 SMG Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:04:25 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15867 Yes, “Is CHURCH keeping you from God” or “Is CHURCH keeping you from Church” are both really interesting suggestions. Yes, “Is CHURCH keeping you from God” or “Is CHURCH keeping you from Church” are both really interesting suggestions.

]]> By: h sofia http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15576 h sofia Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:34:02 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15576 Hank - that's a good idea. "Is CHURCH keeping you from God" or "Is CHURCH keeping you from Church" makes a lot more sense to me than what the UUA Campaign is. I'd bet there are lots of people who are inclined to be UUs (imo), but it's institutionalized religion that they are wary of, not God. Hank - that’s a good idea. “Is CHURCH keeping you from God” or “Is CHURCH keeping you from Church” makes a lot more sense to me than what the UUA Campaign is. I’d bet there are lots of people who are inclined to be UUs (imo), but it’s institutionalized religion that they are wary of, not God.

]]> By: Jane R http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15559 Jane R Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:24:59 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15559 Two of the Episcopal congregations to which I have belonged have been members of the Center for Progressive Christianity. All y'all may know about it, but just in case: http://www.tcpc.org Yeah, it's Christian, so it won't suit everyone, but have a look. The "8 points" explaining the definition of "Progressive Christianity" are here: http://www.tcpc.org/about/8points.cfm Two of the Episcopal congregations to which I have belonged have been members of the Center for Progressive Christianity. All y’all may know about it, but just in case:
http://www.tcpc.org

Yeah, it’s Christian, so it won’t suit everyone, but have a look. The “8 points” explaining the definition of “Progressive Christianity” are here:
http://www.tcpc.org/about/8points.cfm

]]> By: Ian Lynch http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15553 Ian Lynch Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:15:58 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15553 Oops, I forgot to point out that I'm a closet unitarian, ultimately universalist UCC clergy. I'll also take the opportunity to suggest a visit to The Center for Progressive Christianity <a href="http://www.tcpc.org" rel="nofollow">web site</a> Oops, I forgot to point out that I’m a closet unitarian, ultimately universalist UCC clergy.

I’ll also take the opportunity to suggest a visit to The Center for Progressive Christianity web site

]]> By: Ian Lynch http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15552 Ian Lynch Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:12:21 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15552 So if the UCC says that God is still speaking and you are suggesting that the UUA is still speaking does that mean via the transitive property that the UUA is God? :-) Maybe what we need is a joint campaign for all progressive Christians (yes, I realized some UUAs are not Christian, but progressive Christians accept that there are more paths than Christianity). We are all trying in our non-abrasive, clever without being too snarky way to tell the world that not all religious practice involves authoritative/authoritarian answers. Indeed some of us love the questions and are comfortable with ambivalence and the journey. We progressives DO have a lot to offer a hurting world, we should indeed still be talking...shouting even :-) So if the UCC says that God is still speaking and you are suggesting that the UUA is still speaking does that mean via the transitive property that the UUA is God? :-)

Maybe what we need is a joint campaign for all progressive Christians (yes, I realized some UUAs are not Christian, but progressive Christians accept that there are more paths than Christianity). We are all trying in our non-abrasive, clever without being too snarky way to tell the world that not all religious practice involves authoritative/authoritarian answers. Indeed some of us love the questions and are comfortable with ambivalence and the journey.

We progressives DO have a lot to offer a hurting world, we should indeed still be talking…shouting even :-)

]]> By: Citizen http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15551 Citizen Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:46:01 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15551 For no particular reason, I'll throw a slogan suggestion out there: UUA: Joining the future...together. For no particular reason, I’ll throw a slogan suggestion out there:

UUA: Joining the future…together.

]]> By: Jeff May http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15544 Jeff May Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:06:01 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15544 I found the UCC campaign quite moving - and clever. The "Ejector seat" ad was particularly good. I particularly liked the narrative on the ads that said, "The United Church of Christ. No matter who you are or where you are on life's journey, you're welcome here." (Text overlay: "God is still speaking.") There are aspects of ours that I like too. I like the fact that we are starting to talk about who we are in terms that those seeking a different kind of spiritual home can identify with. Indeed, we are still speaking. Or perhaps, we are speaking anew. Jeff I found the UCC campaign quite moving - and clever. The “Ejector seat” ad was particularly good. I particularly liked the narrative on the ads that said,

“The United Church of Christ. No matter who you are or where you are on life’s journey, you’re welcome here.” (Text overlay: “God is still speaking.”)

There are aspects of ours that I like too. I like the fact that we are starting to talk about who we are in terms that those seeking a different kind of spiritual home can identify with.

Indeed, we are still speaking. Or perhaps, we are speaking anew.

Jeff

]]> By: Mars Girl http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15543 Mars Girl Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:07:38 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15543 I actually like both the UCC and UUA campaigns... It reminded me once again that I need to check out a UCC church some time for a change of pace. I hear they are pretty liberal... some of my ex-Catholic friends recently joined a UCC... This ex-Catholic loves the spirited debates at my UU church during coffee hour between services. Even if I have nothing to say, listening to all the excited chatter inspires me with hope... I actually like both the UCC and UUA campaigns… It reminded me once again that I need to check out a UCC church some time for a change of pace. I hear they are pretty liberal… some of my ex-Catholic friends recently joined a UCC… This ex-Catholic loves the spirited debates at my UU church during coffee hour between services. Even if I have nothing to say, listening to all the excited chatter inspires me with hope…

]]> By: Rev E http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15542 Rev E Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:52:26 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15542 Right on! RIGHT ON, and a stroke of brilliance to add the Poley lyric. This reminded me of a few years ago, when George "Don't Think of an Elephant" Lakoff spoke at General Assembly about the power of language and how we use it to frame things. He patiently explained how to speak out in favor of marriage equality, suggesting: "Decent people don't believe in denying civil rights..." or "Reasonable people don't discriminate..." His next words were: "Don't bother saying, 'Unitarian Universalists believe in marriage equality.' Nobody CARES what Unitarian Universalists think, or even know who you are." He said it in the kindest way possible, and it was a gloriously humbling moment. Right on! RIGHT ON, and a stroke of brilliance to add the Poley lyric.

This reminded me of a few years ago, when George “Don’t Think of an Elephant” Lakoff spoke at General Assembly about the power of language and how we use it to frame things.

He patiently explained how to speak out in favor of marriage equality, suggesting: “Decent people don’t believe in denying civil rights…” or “Reasonable people don’t discriminate…”

His next words were: “Don’t bother saying, ‘Unitarian Universalists believe in marriage equality.’ Nobody CARES what Unitarian Universalists think, or even know who you are.”

He said it in the kindest way possible, and it was a gloriously humbling moment.

]]> By: Scott Wells http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15541 Scott Wells Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:55:16 +0000 http://www.peacebang.com/2008/03/27/still-speaking/#comment-15541 I invited an atheist, preacher's kid coworker <a href="http://boyinthebands.com/archives/so-whats-the-deal-with-atheists-and-the-uua-ad-campaign/" rel="nofollow">guest respond to the UUA campaign</a> last October, for another perspective. I invited an atheist, preacher’s kid coworker guest respond to the UUA campaign last October, for another perspective.

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