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		<title>By: Laura Toepfer</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2008/08/29/consensus-in-america-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-24086</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Toepfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PB, I do hope you watch the speech.

And &quot;never&quot; is a very long time.

Laura</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PB, I do hope you watch the speech.</p>
<p>And &#8220;never&#8221; is a very long time.</p>
<p>Laura</p>
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		<title>By: Chalicechick</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2008/08/29/consensus-in-america-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-24085</link>
		<dc:creator>Chalicechick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Bob, as someone who pals around with quite a few libertarians, I can assure you that NONE of them are thrilled with the choice of Sarah &quot;OK, fine, I won&#039;t build the bridge, but Alaska&#039;s keeping the pork money.&quot; Palin. 

It&#039;s the traditionalist folks who are happy, and them alone. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Bob, as someone who pals around with quite a few libertarians, I can assure you that NONE of them are thrilled with the choice of Sarah &#8220;OK, fine, I won&#8217;t build the bridge, but Alaska&#8217;s keeping the pork money.&#8221; Palin. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the traditionalist folks who are happy, and them alone. </p>
<p>CC</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B.</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2008/08/29/consensus-in-america-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-24059</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched part of the McCain/Palin announcement at noon today.  When Palin announced that McCain would be the President who will keep nuclear weapons out of Iran, that&#039;s when I started barking at my TV.  Not long after, the crowd stated cheering and shouting &quot;USA! USA! USA!&quot;.  While I &quot;enjoy the fruits of capitalism&quot;, at the same time my stomach turns when a group like this (republican or democratic) appears to have little regard for the rest of the world and how America is relating to it.        

I realize that so much hot air is being thrown around at BOTH conventions, and that&#039;s why (much like the Olympics) I don&#039;t make any special effort to watch either of them.  

BTW, i&#039;ts been easy for me to remember Palin&#039;s name because I&#039;m a Monty Python fan (Michael Palin)  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched part of the McCain/Palin announcement at noon today.  When Palin announced that McCain would be the President who will keep nuclear weapons out of Iran, that&#8217;s when I started barking at my TV.  Not long after, the crowd stated cheering and shouting &#8220;USA! USA! USA!&#8221;.  While I &#8220;enjoy the fruits of capitalism&#8221;, at the same time my stomach turns when a group like this (republican or democratic) appears to have little regard for the rest of the world and how America is relating to it.        </p>
<p>I realize that so much hot air is being thrown around at BOTH conventions, and that&#8217;s why (much like the Olympics) I don&#8217;t make any special effort to watch either of them.  </p>
<p>BTW, i&#8217;ts been easy for me to remember Palin&#8217;s name because I&#8217;m a Monty Python fan (Michael Palin)  <img src='http://www.peacebang.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Holsapple</title>
		<link>http://www.peacebang.com/2008/08/29/consensus-in-america-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-24053</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Holsapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this country is polarized. I think there is a remarkable consensus in this country, on many many fronts: the environment, civil rights, the free market, and so on. The difference between the two parties is really not great. The difference in the principles of our two candidates is not great, either. Of course, when you address particular pieces of legislation, you will naturally find two approaches, but the deeper intentions and principles of the people involved are the same.

Why is that people can see so much in common among the religions of the world, but so little in common between Democrats and Republicans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this country is polarized. I think there is a remarkable consensus in this country, on many many fronts: the environment, civil rights, the free market, and so on. The difference between the two parties is really not great. The difference in the principles of our two candidates is not great, either. Of course, when you address particular pieces of legislation, you will naturally find two approaches, but the deeper intentions and principles of the people involved are the same.</p>
<p>Why is that people can see so much in common among the religions of the world, but so little in common between Democrats and Republicans?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Baar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Baar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>geez...

sorry: &lt;blockquote&gt;I’m betting, without knowing much about her, Gov. Palin is going to offer the winning synthesis of libertarianism and traditionalism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And the link to Lindsey&#039;s site:  http://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/07/09/brink-lindsey/the-libertarian-center/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geez&#8230;</p>
<p>sorry:<br />
<blockquote>I’m betting, without knowing much about her, Gov. Palin is going to offer the winning synthesis of libertarianism and traditionalism.</p></blockquote>
<p>And the link to Lindsey&#8217;s site:  <a href="http://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/07/09/brink-lindsey/the-libertarian-center/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/07/09/brink-lindsey/the-libertarian-center/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Baar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Baar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quote from Brink Lindsey&#039;s Age of Abundance website (the title of his thoughtful book on this topic).  He lays out the history of my time: the 60&#039;s to today and I think the challange it gave us:&lt;blockquote&gt;The two movements thus offered conflicting half-truths. On the left were gathered those elements of American society most open to the new possibilities of mass affluence and most eager to explore them – in other words, the people at the forefront of the push for civil rights, feminism, and environmentalism, as well as sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll. At the same time, however, many on the left harbored a deep antagonism toward the institutions of capitalism and middle-class life that had created all those exciting new possibilities. On the right, meanwhile, were the faithful defenders of capitalism and middle-class mores. But included in this group were the people most repelled by and hostile to the social and cultural ferment that capitalism and middle-class mores were producing. This is the blind vs. blind struggle of the culture wars: one side attacked capitalism while rejoicing in its fruits; the other side celebrated capitalism while denouncing its fruits as poisonous.

This conflict is still with us today, in the form of the polarized politics of Red America vs. Blue America. The good news, though, is that this polarization mostly concerns minorities of true believers and their media talking heads rather the bulk of ordinary Americans. Most Americans, it turns out, have moved on since the ’60s toward a common ground whose coloration is not recognizably red or blue – call it a purplish, libertarianish centrism. On the one hand, they embrace the traditional, Middle American values of patriotism, law and order, the work ethic, and commitment to family life. At the same time, though, they hold attitudes on race and sex that are dramatically more liberal than those that held sway a generation or two ago. Likewise, they are deeply skeptical of authority, and are strongly committed to open-mindedness and tolerance. Such an amalgamation of views is flatly inconsistent with current definitions of ideological purity. Despite all the talk of raging culture wars, most Americans are nonbelligerents.&lt;/blockquote&gt; I&#039;m betting without knowing much about here, Gov. Palin is going to over the winning synthesis of libertarianism and traditionalism. 

Liberalism in both it&#039;s Political and Theological faces, committed to a notion of being in the vanguard, of needing to teach people not quite theologically or politically where they should be, people who don&#039;t vote their self interests because they&#039;re not educated.

That runs counter to the Libertarian consensus and I think McCain\Palin better equiped to harness it than Obama\Biden will be able too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quote from Brink Lindsey&#8217;s Age of Abundance website (the title of his thoughtful book on this topic).  He lays out the history of my time: the 60&#8217;s to today and I think the challange it gave us:<br />
<blockquote>The two movements thus offered conflicting half-truths. On the left were gathered those elements of American society most open to the new possibilities of mass affluence and most eager to explore them – in other words, the people at the forefront of the push for civil rights, feminism, and environmentalism, as well as sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll. At the same time, however, many on the left harbored a deep antagonism toward the institutions of capitalism and middle-class life that had created all those exciting new possibilities. On the right, meanwhile, were the faithful defenders of capitalism and middle-class mores. But included in this group were the people most repelled by and hostile to the social and cultural ferment that capitalism and middle-class mores were producing. This is the blind vs. blind struggle of the culture wars: one side attacked capitalism while rejoicing in its fruits; the other side celebrated capitalism while denouncing its fruits as poisonous.</p>
<p>This conflict is still with us today, in the form of the polarized politics of Red America vs. Blue America. The good news, though, is that this polarization mostly concerns minorities of true believers and their media talking heads rather the bulk of ordinary Americans. Most Americans, it turns out, have moved on since the ’60s toward a common ground whose coloration is not recognizably red or blue – call it a purplish, libertarianish centrism. On the one hand, they embrace the traditional, Middle American values of patriotism, law and order, the work ethic, and commitment to family life. At the same time, though, they hold attitudes on race and sex that are dramatically more liberal than those that held sway a generation or two ago. Likewise, they are deeply skeptical of authority, and are strongly committed to open-mindedness and tolerance. Such an amalgamation of views is flatly inconsistent with current definitions of ideological purity. Despite all the talk of raging culture wars, most Americans are nonbelligerents.</p></blockquote>
<p> I&#8217;m betting without knowing much about here, Gov. Palin is going to over the winning synthesis of libertarianism and traditionalism. </p>
<p>Liberalism in both it&#8217;s Political and Theological faces, committed to a notion of being in the vanguard, of needing to teach people not quite theologically or politically where they should be, people who don&#8217;t vote their self interests because they&#8217;re not educated.</p>
<p>That runs counter to the Libertarian consensus and I think McCain\Palin better equiped to harness it than Obama\Biden will be able too.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Barraza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Barraza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m the friend that wrote that on facebook, but we&#039;re obviously not friends enough for you to know that I have been negative about Obama&#039;s chances of winning since before he ran, and continue to be.  My commentary was around the fact that I can&#039;t believe that the rest of America does not have the same values that I do--quality education for our children, affordable health care for all Americans, ending this war, ending tax cuts for the rich.  &quot;How can he not win?&quot; means to me, &quot;how come people don&#039;t want this as bad as I do?&quot;  Just to clarify.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m the friend that wrote that on facebook, but we&#8217;re obviously not friends enough for you to know that I have been negative about Obama&#8217;s chances of winning since before he ran, and continue to be.  My commentary was around the fact that I can&#8217;t believe that the rest of America does not have the same values that I do&#8211;quality education for our children, affordable health care for all Americans, ending this war, ending tax cuts for the rich.  &#8220;How can he not win?&#8221; means to me, &#8220;how come people don&#8217;t want this as bad as I do?&#8221;  Just to clarify.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate PB&#039;s encouragement to remember discourse and not Crossfire-style shouting matches. That&#039;s my problem with political (or religious) &quot;discussions&quot; now-a-days. It seems to me like everyone forgot how to discuss without arguing. My very wise husband says it best: &quot;I&#039;ll discuss anything with you, but I won&#039;t argue with you.&quot; What he means by that is, &quot;I will share my opinion with you and enjoy listening to you share yours. I will not try to convert you to my way of thinking if you don&#039;t try to convert me to yours. But as soon as you start shouting, I&#039;m outta here.&quot;

It&#039;d be nice if the majority of folks could remember that&#039;s how discussion is intended to be and not like one of those timed sports shows where the talking head gets so many seconds to shout his opinion before the next person goes off.

Ugh.

As always, thanks PB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate PB&#8217;s encouragement to remember discourse and not Crossfire-style shouting matches. That&#8217;s my problem with political (or religious) &#8220;discussions&#8221; now-a-days. It seems to me like everyone forgot how to discuss without arguing. My very wise husband says it best: &#8220;I&#8217;ll discuss anything with you, but I won&#8217;t argue with you.&#8221; What he means by that is, &#8220;I will share my opinion with you and enjoy listening to you share yours. I will not try to convert you to my way of thinking if you don&#8217;t try to convert me to yours. But as soon as you start shouting, I&#8217;m outta here.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be nice if the majority of folks could remember that&#8217;s how discussion is intended to be and not like one of those timed sports shows where the talking head gets so many seconds to shout his opinion before the next person goes off.</p>
<p>Ugh.</p>
<p>As always, thanks PB.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevenR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As i read history, there never was a consensus in America.  Or if there was consensus on thing like &quot;America is great&quot;, there was no consensus on why that was so.  every President has had their foes, starting with the newspapers that accused Geo.  Washington of burning down the War Department to destroy its records.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As i read history, there never was a consensus in America.  Or if there was consensus on thing like &#8220;America is great&#8221;, there was no consensus on why that was so.  every President has had their foes, starting with the newspapers that accused Geo.  Washington of burning down the War Department to destroy its records.</p>
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		<title>By: h sofia</title>
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		<dc:creator>h sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on this one, PB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on this one, PB.</p>
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